A blog about using blogs. Torill Mortensen and Jill Walker wrote: "Blogging Thoughts, personal publication as an online research tool". Next project is: "Intimate Confessions and Public Display". This blog works as space in which to collect ideas and tangents to this research.


Jill, I'd like to put in links to the pages we will be using in the presentation to the left here. If you remember any we will be using/quoting, will you set them in? Or if you don't like the idea, let me know and we think of something else.

posted by Torill at 06:58

Jill talks of weblogs and Wiki. I was considering using a wiki rather than a weblog at one point. One game I play (the only one presently) has a very nice wiki-generated collaborative site: Azhad.

This is an exellent option: it's not structured as strictly as blogger, it resides on a server, accessible with a browser from any machine connected to the web, and it is very open for collaboration. On the other hand: this means the writer has to impose structure on herself, and there's absolutely no security, so you're vulnerable to people who differ in opinion from you (or just want to be rude).

Blogger offers more security: you control who can write on your weblog through the "team" function, and it offers a strict, chronological structure.

posted by Torill at 02:19


Something we should mention in our oral presentation: Hate Blogs - which are in contrast to the positive picture we paint of open, honest community-building. Cameron Marlow of Blogdex has taken an anti-semitic blog off the Blogdex indexes and asks users for their opinions on this - it's certainly a difficult ethical matter. See also UFO Breakfast's piece on attack blogs.

posted by Jill at 03:55


Alex Golub comments on blogs and blogging, in some amusing as well as interesting entries from Wednesday 13th of March (no permalinks).

Any way, before I was distracted by the majesty of Rustem Ismagilov I was discussing being slowly but surely sucked into the blogging lifestyle. Like resocialization everywhere, it strikes whether you want it to or not and ends up drawing all kinds of shit out of you that you didn't know was in you in the first place. Just generally makes you realize what an incredibly porous wrapper the skin is to use to protect something as delicate as one's subjectivity (there, you see - I'm back to Valeri again).

posted by Torill at 03:09

I am reading Peter Lunenfeld's article 'Unfinished business' which is the first in a collection of articles edited by him: The Digital Dialectic. He speaks of the aesthetics of the web as the aesthetics of the unfinished, using Justin Hall as an example. Since Justin Hall's site comes pretty close to a weblog, I think what Lunenfeld writes is very interesting. He speaks of the meander - as opposed to the exploration: "Consider the meander. It involves the pursuit of less grandiose dreams: it is the exploration that goes on almost in spite of itself." And later, after mentioning Neuromancer: ""The digital dérive is ever in a state of unfinish, because there are always more links to create, more sites springing up every day, and even that which has been cataloged will be redesigned by the time you return to it."

I think he is onto something with this idea of the web as a mental landcape in progress. Opposed to the real-world geography, which we expect to remain static, the geography of the web changes quicker than the topography of the holes in the streets of Oslo - and that's about as dynamic as geography can get...

posted by Torill at 03:01

I had a look at Dan Bricklin's essay on blogging. It was fair enough, he describes what blogs are used for and why pretty precisely, but that's it. He doesn't put it into much of a larger context in literature, journalism or autobiography or offer a particularly well-researched collection of links to the debate, but after all, it doesn't claim to be anything but his own observations.

posted by Torill at 02:47


Dan Bricklin has an essay on blogging that I've not read yet, but here's a bookmark for it: Observations From a Weblogger

posted by Jill at 04:23


Eirik Newth kaller Torill og Jill "gode norske bloggere" (takk) men ser ellers blogging som en slitsom sak som vil ødelegge nettet i artikkelen Signal til støy i Kulturnett idag. Han er bekymret over alt søppelet. Jeg er overrasket over at ikke Eirik, som blant annet er en kløpper på Usenet (snakk om signal til støy forhold der), ikke ser filtreringen i blogger, og at det er en annen lesemåte her enn et sted hvor man forventer å lese alt. Jaja.

posted by Jill at 05:35

"interest-group despotism" - Turbulent Velvet of UFO Breakfast objects to the discussions about blogging at JOHO etc:

Interesting, Derek Powazek says exactly this, but meant positively, in his book Design for Community. He writes (something like) "You can't have a community without excluding some poeple."

Anyway, not sure how useful this is, but it's interesting to note people who disagree with the we're-all-friends pov.

posted by Jill at 05:24

Blogs by known academics:, UFO Breakfast. The blogs aren't specifically research oriented but many posts make it clear that the writers are academics and sometimes they refer, sort of, to their work. More often to politics. I think. Without having read them for very long yet. No doubt there are many others.

posted by Jill at 04:59


Jason Kottke on weblogs and journalism.

posted by Torill at 03:21

We have a few smaller changes we need to do with the paper, Jill. And we need to do those changes today. Helloooo, Jill?

settling down to read Andrew's comments

posted by Torill at 00:37


Tinka at distant.sun is taking a break from blogging. As one of her readers commented: if the readers are uncomfortable, why not remove the stat-meters? That's the blessing of blogs: we can imagine as many or as few readers as we like: feel private or public, and even imagine the readers to be just the way we want them.

posted by Torill at 01:53


new address

posted by Torill at 03:34


the silent object?
Jill writes about her being criticised for criticising journalists.

I think perhaps her friend's reaction documented in the post from march 1st 2002 and the discomfort to blogs of Annalee Newitz is the same thing: the journalist's fear of exactly that: becoming objects.

To a journalist, we are all objects: all potential stories. It has to be this way, they have to try to be "objective", to write both sides of a story, to see the facts and not be influenced by special interests and so on and so on. In their world, the only subjects are themselves and their immediate friends - that is, friends who are close enough that if they write about them, they might not be "objective".

As Annalee Newitz points out, bloggers do what the journalists can do, but without the restrictions of journalism. That turns them into subjects: active and out of control, chaos which not only can be observed, but also observes their observers. This is an attack at a group which is not quite a profession. Journalims is trying to become a profession, and colleges like ours are part of that process - I am part of that process - but it's still a job where you don't need any qualifications but the ability to write and to find something to write about which others want to read. The rest is legalities and ethics.

There are no blogger ethics. There is common courtesy, and for people like Jill and me, there's the fact that we have a professional image we do not wish to damage, but there are no standard rules of conduct which will be used to close down an unethical blog. There are no blogger laws. While blogging isn't outside of the law, a blogger isn't protected by the practices protecting journalists and editors, but at the same time don't speak for anybody other than him or her self, as such coming under the rules of free speach. A blogger can be as imprecise and subjective as any private citizen - and is equally vulnerable. There's no blogger school. While there are attempts at creating a blogg aesthetics, you don't need to pass any exams before you create a blog. Feel free to join right in.

From the point of view of journalists, this is chaos, anarchy, a freedom which won't lead to democracy but to mob rule. A craft justifying its existence and its own relative freedom from the law and common courtesy through the claim of the necessity for free flow of information in order to uphold the democracy, will of course have problems with a group of people not justifying their writing with anything but pleasure. There's also the fear for their jobs. What if people decide that they don't need journalists?

All of this before we talk about power and control again. But power and control is very much part of it. The writer, the reader and the object. In that particular order.

posted by Torill at 02:46

1.3.02 the difference between where I am and where I want to be
Brooklyn Kid
three more blogs using pictures, found through looking at twins for at the blog twinning project.

posted by Torill at 07:14

David Gallagher |
A reply to a comment to the previous post: This is my favourite blog with pictures. Should we discuss why blogs as a rule don't have pictures? I think that's very simple. It's more complicated, you need a server to store the pictures on, and it takes great skill in photography to be able to have a conversation through pictures. Luckily, there are some lovely exceptions.

posted by Torill at 07:05


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